I am sure that Calvin KNOWS that God wants ALL SAVED and not just a select group NOW. He DID TWIST God's word with his SECRET WILL of God stuff, warping verses, taking scriptures totally out of context, playing all kinds of WORD GAMES but NOW Calvin HAD to face the one who is called the Word of God, Jesus Christ, face to face and NOW he knows the written word is true and is NOT to be messed with.
NOW I will continue the discussion.
A lot of the reformers were confused in their doctrines since they JUST came out of the Whore of Babylon, the Roman Catholic Church. They needed to renew their minds with the word of God in context instead of jumping into a "reformed doctrine". They needed to spend time with the God they claimed they came to know when they came out of the WHORE OF BABYLON. The Roman Catholic Church DID NOT NEED reforming, it NEEDED to be MADE NEW by the blood of Jesus Christ. That was ONE of the REFORMERS' big mistakes, trying to reform something that was NEVER right in the first place. When Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus, he met the true God of the bible, he was just a relgious fanatic before that encounter.
Today I am going to take up where I stopped last time talking on Calvinism.
I was showing how they twist verses to fit their theology. I was mainly dealing with ALL, WHOSOEVER, WORLD, ETC.
(1 Timothy 2:1-6)
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
V. 4 here means "all of the elect" to a Calvinist NOT "all men". For anyone to have a God who is that poorly versed in English is dangerous, to say the least.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Poor ole God, he keeps using that word "all" but he hardly ever means it. What he is trying to say is "the select few".
"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man"
Uh oh, another mistake, he DIDN'T taste death for EVERY man just EVERY ELECT MAN, according to John Calvin. The Calvinists DO NOT like Jesus dying for EVERYBODY since that SEEMS TO NEGATE GOD'S SOVEREIGNTY, so to speak.
(2 Peter 3:9)
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance"
This keeps happening, "any" does not mean that, IT MEANS "any of the elect" and "all" does not mean all, IT MEANS "all of the elect". God is very deceitful in Calvinism.
(1 John 2:2)
IN CLOSING ON THIS TOPIC:
Calvin should have believed God instead of twisting God's word to build his own little kingdom AND he did, he controlled a lot of people over there in Geneva.
Quoting someone off the web that seemed more for Calvin than against him, I guess.
"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world"
NO, NO, NO, NOT the WHOLE WORLD, another typo, the "whole ELECT world", the ones he created for hell DON'T STAND A CHANCE going to heaven. HE created them for hell, they are born slimy sinners and DESERVE HELL based on Calvinism. But I say THEY DO NOT DESERVE HELL IF God does not give them a chance.
The more I think about all of this, Calvin's god is worse than the devil. The devil wants hell for the world BUT God wants it more because God CREATED them to go to hell. Satan can't create. So God is working with Satan to help him accomplish it by just choosing certain ones.
The ones he doesn't want can't repent, they were created to burn forever without a choice. That is evil to the max.
http://www.biography.com/people/john-calvin-9235788#leading-figure-of-reformation
"While instituting many positive policies, Calvin's government also punished 'impiety' and dissent against his particularly spare vision of Christianity with execution. In the first five years of his rule in Geneva, 58 people were executed and 76 exiled for their religious beliefs. Calvin allowed no art other than music, and even that could not involve instruments. Under his rule, Geneva became the center of Protestantism, he sent out pastors to the rest of Europe, creating Presbyterianism in Scotland, the Puritan Movement in England and the Reformed Church in the Netherlands."
I was checking on the web for thoughts on regeneration, i.e. born again experience. I have been debating some Calvinists for a while on and off the web. I could never get a straight answer or at least not a straight answer as far as I am concerned.
So as I was surfing on the web, I was seeing more and more they are not in agreement or is it to do with the secret will of God stuff and they figure I don't need to know. I don't know but it was getting tiring. So the answers were based on which Calvinist I was talking to at any given time.
I got this ONE, let's READ IT AND DISCUSS IT.
The question was,
What is the Calvinist perspective on regeneration?
"Essentially, regeneration is a change in a man's condition, from being spiritually dead to being spiritually alive. Once a man is spiritually alive, he has the ability to see his rebellious condition. Because of this, he has an irresistible urge to be saved and have faith in Christ, and he does.
Regeneration and salvation are not something that are considered to happen in a chronological order whereby one happens then the other. That regeneration precedes faith and therefore salvation is only a logical ordering. In actuality, the chronological ordering is simultaneous. An important note, though. In Romans, we see that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by preaching. We also see in Ephesians that faith is a gift of God. So, simply put, the faith is given to the believer by God, and the believer comes upon this faith by hearing the Gospel."
What was strange about HIS answer: I saw my sick, dead nature when I heard, truly heard the gospel preached, it convicted me and I received, repented, believed what I heard - all at the same time SINCE I acted on what I heard. The moment I saw my lost condition by the Spirit of God was the moment I received his pardon, his forgiveness, his cleansing. IF I was regenerated before I was born again, I would not see a sick perverted person that I was… I WOULD SEE how I am clean and pure in God's eyes IF I was regenerated before I was born again even though it can't happen.
I wanted to share this last time when I was speaking on Calvinism but I ran out of time. I want to focus on the word, "draw" using
Speaking of babies or others, the word says,
Check out my "Predestination and Election" and "Everything Is Not Fixed" videos on YouTube and on my page under "Preaching Videos".
John 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
They don't seem to like John 12 either.
John 12:32,33
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
The Lord pleads with his people to return to him when they go astray. He does not want them to go astray but if they do, he will give them another chance to return to him based on their willingness to do so.
The word of God tells us over and over and over that God talks to spiritually dead men and women.
The moment that Adam and Eve partook of the forbidden fruit, they died spiritually yet we see God talking with them a short time later.
I see God talking to sinners all through the word, people dead in sins.
As I said before Jesus calls the dead in sins to offer them life in him. They are NOT saved UNTIL they accept the gift offered, that being God's Son, Jesus Christ.
God is love and God is soverign, they are mutually exclusive to one another.
(James 4:17)
"17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."
(2 Corinthians 5:14)
A few thoughts from the web on Calvin and Augustine.
"For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead"
Now here is another strange one from a Calvinistic viewpoint, "one died for all, then were all dead". Jesus just died for the dead, spiritually speaking, the sinner, the lost, the undone as I said before. He did NOT die for the righteous, the regenerated, the clean. He died for the dirty sinner when I was speaking on Mark 2:17.
This scripture clearly shows me that Christ died for the spiritually dead, IF there ARE ANY that are SPIRITUALLY ALIVE THEN common sense, royal sense, whatever you want to call it, tells me that he DID NOT die for them.
The more I read on what he believes in reference to music, water baptism, etc., the more problems I have with Calvin.
What people need to realize is that Calvin came from a totally corrupt religious system with very little truth within their organization, the Roman Catholic Church. So much of his beliefs would be way off and they are. Even if he was truly born again, which I don't think so BUT if he did, he needed to get a lot of the religious garbage out of his head by spending time with God/Jesus instead of going into the preaching mode. PAUL knew religion but he did not know God until he met him on the road to Damacus in the bible. More than likely Paul went away and spent some quality time with the Lord based on Gal 1.
To tell you the truth it looks like John Calvin didn't get much of his beliefs from the bible or God BUT from Augustine since from what I have read Calvin quoted Augustine more than any other person.
Some have claimed that Augustine was the first Calvinist!
B. B. Warfield wrote:
"The system of doctrine taught by Calvin is just the Augustinian-ism common to the whole body of the Reformers-for the Reformation was, as from the spiritual point of view a great revival of religion, so from the theological point of view a great revival of Augustinian-ism."
Spurgeon wrote:
"Perhaps Calvin himself derived it [Calvinism] mainly from the writings of Augustine."
Calvin himself wrote:
"Augustine is so wholly with me, that IF I wished to write a confession of my faith, I could do so with all fullness and satisfaction to myself out of his writings."
This data is pretty interesting, too. In the 1536 edition of the Institutes of the Christian Religion, Calvin quotes Augustine 24 times. By the 1559 edition, he quotes Augustine 400 times. Here's just a snapshot:
TYPE IN
"5 Things You Didn't Know about John Calvin (and Should!)"
https://blog.logos.com/2012/01/5-things-you-didnt-know-about-john-calvin-and-should/
1. Born: July 10, 1509, Noyon, France
2. Died: May 27, 1564, Geneva, Switzerland
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Calvin is against music in church worship from what I gather so far, he believes it is a type in the OT and it is done away because it is a type???
Psa 68
24 They have seen thy goings, O God; even the goings of my God, my King, in the sanctuary.
25 The singers went before, the players on instruments followed after; among them were the damsels playing with timbrels.
26 Bless ye God in the congregations, even the Lord, from the fountain of Israel.
In closing, Calvin says that something cannot be used because it was a "type" in the OT IS totally illogical, to put it simply.
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